It's official: Glenn Beck will have to leave the church

By , April 3, 2010 3:50 pm

or eat his own words.

TODAY in GENERAL CONFERENCE the words social justice were uttered by Elder Christopherson.

“Others would argue that it’s all relative, or that God’s love is permissive. If there is a God, they say, he excuses all sins and misdeeds because of his love for us. There’s no need for repentance, or at most, a simple confession will do. They have imagined a Jesus who wants people to work for social justice but who makes no demands upon their personal life and behavior. But a God of love does not leave us to learn by sad experience that wickedness never was happiness. His commandments are the voice of reality, and are protection against self-inflicted pain. The scriptures are the touchstone for measuring correctness and truth.”

“Mr. Beck said on his radio show on March 2, “I beg you, look for the words ‘social justice’ or ‘economic justice’ on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code words.””

Good riddance!

14 Responses to “It's official: Glenn Beck will have to leave the church”

  1. Jen says:

    Hahaha. I also enjoyed the mentions about women’s worth not being related to their personal appearance. It sounded like someone I know had snuck in a few paragraphs to that talk.

  2. Kate says:

    It’s ok Jen… I remember in the Daily Universe when they “accidentally” reported the winner of the Republican primary as the winner of the election.

    And, in 2008 in my ward someone said over the pulpit, “we all know who we should vote for, and even though I won’t mention his name it starts with an M.”

    Classy.

    I love when they try to be undercover about the whole thing. ;)

  3. D.N. says:

    After all the broohaha, I can’t believe the Church let someone utter the words at all at General Conference, no matter the context. That said, “I’m with you fellers” — I think Bro. Beck said that you were supposed to start questioning church leaders when they mention the words…I wonder if Elder Christofferson is looking forward to the call…

  4. Nicki says:

    Hi, thank you for your post. I found your comments interesting, even though I understood the same statement very differently.

    Elder Christofferson seemed to be kind of affirming what Glenn Beck has always said about Social Justice – that it is in essence Satan’s counterfeit for charity and Christianity because it is forced and does not elevate the character of the giver nor of the receiver. Simply stating the words “social justice” does not equate preaching them – in this case it was quite the contrary.

    In any case, I don’t believe that it’s a good idea to encourage or rejoice over anyone leaving the church. We are all flawed. I’d hate to think that my flaws would keep me from accessing the blessings that could help me eventually overcome those flaws.

  5. Jrans says:

    Oh Glenn. I honestly believe he is damaging the nation.

  6. jer says:

    Suck it, Beck.

  7. momalicious kelly says:

    I have said many foolish/improvident things in my life and later regretted them.

    BUT. Glenn Beck makes a LIVING saying things that are calculated to get him attention and MONEY. He absolutely opens himself up for public comment if he says things publicly and for the purpose of making himself rich.

  8. Jen says:

    In response to Nicki’s thoughts, I just want to say that I think Christofferson was intentionally vague about social justice. I think the disagreement between liberals and conservatives is often a matter of whether the pursuit of social justice should be on a governmental/social or individual level. Christofferson’s statement works to motivate both sides of the argument to pursue their idea of “social justice.” Maybe I’m misunderstanding the connotational baggage of social justice as a technical term.

  9. Sabrina says:

    I’m amazed at the number of people who comment on what Beck says and believes but have not spent any amount of time actually listening to him. He is passionate and he does believe what he says. He and his family have 24/7 security detail. He wouldn’t be doing what he does and saying what he says if he didn’t truly believe it.

    When he talks about “social justice” and how it has no place in the church, he is referring to the concept of “spreading the wealth” — which is no where in the Bible. I don’t want the pastor of my church preaching about social issues from the pulpit, telling me what I should be doing with my money, who I should be voting for etc.

    Yes, Beck is wealthy and he does make a “LIVING” at what he does. Of course he’s doing it for the money. It’s his JOB. He’s a capitalist and has no problem with making money and I and a LOT of other people have no problem contributing to his wealth. He has the right to continue to make money as long as he continues to create something of value.

    GLEN BECK: “For every dollar that you spend, I want you to have $1.25 in quality. I want you to have entertainment or information, and I say this to you all the time. I promise you, I know how hard you work for your money. Well, I work hard for my time. I work hard for my quality. And everybody here, we bust our ass. You’re damn right we’re getting rich, and I’m not ashamed of it. But who could possibly sleep at night, saying the things that I say and believe, think I want to say these things? Do you think I want my family under threat all the time? Do you think I want I’m not talking to you. These people just don’t care. They don’t care about the truth one way or the other.”

  10. Ethan says:

    I think many have misunderstood the words of Elder Christofferson, as they have misunderstood the message of Glenn Beck. Elder Christofferson was decrying (not affirming, but decrying) the way many immoral individuals try to use Christianity as a way of pushing their socialist/leftist agenda (i.e. “social justice”). Elder Christofferson’s words were a powerful denunciation of this insidious practice.

    “Social Justice” (i.e. Government control & force to bring about some distorted view of justice in society) has nothing to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ or the Law of Consecration. One is based on force, manipulation, control and compulsion (characteristics of Lucifer), while the other is rooted in Charity (The Pure Love of Christ), Love, Service, Hope and Faith. All freely and willingly offered out of Love and Righteousness (characteristics of Christ).

    Glenn’s message is that the former (i.e. supposed Social Justice through government control and compulsion) is evil, and that we need to get ourselves more to the latter (willing Christlike love and service).

    The two are really opposites. Yes there should be no poor among us, because of the degree of our love and voluntary service to each other. But if Government made this happen through force and compulsion it is NOT of Christ or his Kingdom, but instead of Lucifer who sought to control the agency of man, to eliminate suffering and experience in this life, and eliminate the possibility of Exaltation.

    There is NO righteousness in that for which there was NO choice.

  11. stella7 says:

    @Nicki, I think Jen is criticizing Beck’s blanket statements like that about “running” from any church that uses “those words.” I think you’re right about those comments referring to lazy social justice being a counterfeit, but Beck doesn’t say, “If your church espouses social justice.” He says “If you find the word on their Web site.” Which is very like him. He leaves no room for the subtlety between his extreme views and the extreme views of his enemies. That is actually not very like the prophets of this church, who encourage us to cling to truth and exercise judgment. Beck, au contraire, encourages dogma, and that is why his rhetoric is just that. It’s dogmatic and doesn’t allow for individual judgment. He sets the rules on right and wrong and you agree with his or you are an evil communist. There is no in-between. And Jen is pointing out that his lack of moderation and refusal to qualify his statements- thereby admitting his opinion does not constitute absolute truth – has just made him a traitor to his own words.

    @Sabrina
    “When he talks about “social justice” and how it has no place in the church, he is referring to the concept of “spreading the wealth” — which is no where in the Bible. I don’t want the pastor of my church preaching about social issues from the pulpit, telling me what I should be doing with my money, who I should be voting for etc.”

    Actually, there are many scriptures in the Bible (and in the Book of Mormon) that DO command us to give of our substance. I understand the argument that it should not be redistributed by the government against our will because THAT would be counterfeit charity, but we are certainly commanded to give of our substance to the needy among us. Christ gave all he had, and we’re supposed to do the same. Again, this is where Glenn Beck misses the mark because he can’t do moderation. The choices for him are communism, or absolute selfishness he sees as reaffirmed in the Bible somehow. He’s just plain wrong. We should be free to do what we want with our money, but we should CHOOSE to give to those in need. It’s all over the Bible.

    Essentially, this shows how wrongly the entire argument is framed. It isn’t “people who love freeloaders” versus “absolutely selfish bastards.” But that’s how our political parties have set it up, and we go along with it. So by default, people who may simply think the welfare system should be only a last resort (after family, church and community) and needs reforming are forced into the corner of those who also want to keep poor people poor, don’t care if their industrial runoff poisons people and also incidentally, and see the needy as lazy people who should buck up and do for themselves. It ignores that sometimes, there are circumstances and previous social engineering that contribute to those people’s hard times. That’s pretty extreme, and Beck continues to frame things in the way the traditional two parties do. It makes him no better than any other party insider. He wants power over your thoughts, and if you think he’s not framing the entire argument to his advantage just like any politician, you are too trusting and naive.

  12. Ethan says:

    Stella7,
    I agree wholeheartedly with you regarding the disciple’s responsibility to be “free with our substance” as Jacob taught so well, and not to just help and lift the poor, but to further do so to such an extent that others may “be rich like unto [ourselves].” (Jacob 2:12-21 – is by far the most illuminating verses of holy writ on the attitude we should have about ourselves, our wealth and others) Truly we will not be able to establish Zion until we establish it in our hearts to such an extent that we view all that we have as a means of lifting and supporting others in the cause of Christ.

    That being said however, it needs to be pointed out that you are terribly misjudging Glenn Beck, and are completely in error in the way that you present him. You may not agree with his style or approach, and I know that I don’t necessarily agree with all of his conclusions he comes to, however, he is very consistent and clear, contrary to what you said, that all of us need to be generous with our means, and to lift and help each other.

    He is constantly counseling his viewers to tithe 10% of their income, and further to that to be generous with each other, and to love and to lift and to serve each other. He preaches that almost daily. To say otherwise is to be ignorant of the facts, and unfair to a good brother.

    It is a common leftist line of attack, that those who defend the free market and the American founding principles of freedom and liberty are somehow selfish and uncaring to the poor. They twist and distort and make one an “offender for a word.” Don’t fall victim to this trap. Yes and partisans of all sides fall into this pattern of un-Christlike behavior every day. It ought not be so with us.

    Keep in mind, Glenn Beck is not a partisan, nor does he get into Republican/Democrat battles. He is critical of them all, and focuses not on petty party politics but on principles, such as faith and reliance in God, honour, integrity, limited government, freedom, brotherly love….etc. He simply is not the way the chattering classes portray him to be.

    Obviously he has a unique delivery style that works for some and not for others. But we should not let our aversion to his style distort our view of a man’s principles.

    Ironically Stella7, your message that selfishness is evil and that we should follow the scriptural teachings to be very generous in our own individual lives is precisely what he regularly uses his show to preach.

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